Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/14/2002 08:07 AM House CRA

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HB 497-LEASE-PURCHASE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
CO-CHAIR MORGAN announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO. 497,  "An Act  giving notice of  and approving                                                               
the   entry  into,   and  the   issuance   of,  certificates   of                                                               
participation  for the  upgrade,  expansion,  and replacement  of                                                               
certain correctional  facilities and jails; giving  notice of and                                                               
approving the entry into,  lease-financing agreements for certain                                                               
of those projects; and providing for an effective date."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0903                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARGOT  KNUTH,  Strategic  Planning Coordinator,  Office  of  the                                                               
Commissioner  -  Juneau,  Department  of  Corrections,  began  by                                                               
noting that HB  497 is one of several pieces  of legislation that                                                               
looks to  expand existing correctional facilities.   The [Knowles                                                               
Administration] is  grateful with the recognition  that something                                                               
must  be done  [with Alaska's  correctional facilities].   Alaska                                                               
has  been  operating well  beyond  the  maximum capacity  of  its                                                               
facilities for  many years.  In  order to deal with  that maximum                                                               
capacity,  Alaska's local  facilities have  been overcrowded  and                                                               
hundreds  of  inmates have  been  sent  to  a private  prison  in                                                               
Arizona.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KNUTH reviewed  the difference  between  jails and  prisons.                                                               
She  explained that  jails  are where  people  are housed  before                                                               
their trials,  before sentencing,  and for  misdemeanor offenses.                                                               
Alaska is unique in that  Alaska is a unified jurisdiction, which                                                               
means  that the  state is  responsible for  both jail  and prison                                                               
functions.  Therefore, the state  has to have facilities that are                                                               
close to  the [offenders'] communities,  to the point  of arrest,                                                               
and to  court houses where the  hearings occur.  There  also have                                                               
to be  places for sentenced  felons that will  serve considerably                                                               
more  time.    Ideally,  under  a  unified  system  the  regional                                                               
facilities would  probably serve  as both a  prison and  jail for                                                               
the community.  For example, Bethel  has the capacity of 80 beds,                                                               
which basically  allows for only  pre-trial and  misdemeanants to                                                               
be  in that  facility.    Therefore, those  from  Bethel who  are                                                               
convicted of  a felony  and have  more than a  year to  serve are                                                               
shipped  to either  the  Spring  Creek Prison  in  Seward or  the                                                               
facility in Arizona.  Ideally,  there would be enough capacity in                                                               
Bethel  to  keep those  folks  in  their  home areas.    However,                                                               
Alaska's problem  is the  cost in keeping  people close  to their                                                               
home  area.    Many  efficiencies are  gained  by  having  larger                                                               
centralized  prisons.   Ms.  Knuth noted  that  the Spring  Creek                                                               
Prison  has a  capacity  of  400 and  thus  is  filled by  people                                                               
statewide, not just  from the Seward area.  The  prisoners in the                                                               
Arizona facility  are from  all over the  state, and  have fairly                                                               
long sentences to serve.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1120                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH explained  that HB 497 attempts to balance  the need to                                                               
be cost-conscious and have centralized  prisons with the need for                                                               
local  capacity for  those  pre-trial  and misdemeanant  persons.                                                               
House  Bill   497  allows  for   the  expansion  of   the  Palmer                                                               
Correctional Center, the Spring  Creek Youthful Offender Program,                                                               
the  Fairbanks  Correctional   Center,  and  the  Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                               
Correctional  Center.   Those are  the  most urgent  needs.   The                                                               
Bethel facility has been operating  at capacity for years, [which                                                               
has  resulted in]  people who  have  [only] 10-15  days to  serve                                                               
being  shipped  to  the Palmer  Correctional  Facility  or  other                                                               
facilities in the Anchorage Bowl area.   Those folks then have to                                                               
be transferred  back to  [the Bethel  area].   Fairbanks is  in a                                                               
similar  situation.    Shipping  those with  short  sentences  is                                                               
inefficient economically,  not to mention the  difficulty for the                                                               
family who  wants to  keep contact  with the  inmate.   Ms. Knuth                                                               
informed the  committee that it  should have a  booklet entitled,                                                               
"Corrections  and Community  Partnerships:   A New  Way of  Doing                                                               
Business",  which   discusses  the   long-range  plan   that  the                                                               
department  views as  necessary  in  addressing the  overcrowding                                                               
situation in Alaska.   Bethel, Fairbanks, Palmer,  and Seward are                                                               
the first four  facilities listed [for expansion].   The proposal                                                               
is to  increase the capacity in  Bethel by 96 beds,  in Fairbanks                                                               
by 80 beds, in Palmer by 237 beds, and in Seward by 170 beds.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1316                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH informed  the committee that in the rest  of the United                                                               
States,  the trend  for the  number of  people in  corrections is                                                               
decreasing and that,  to some extent, relates to  the decrease in                                                               
crime  rates.   That trend  also reflects  the decision  of other                                                               
states to  reevaluate sentencing  practices.  She  explained that                                                               
those other  states have concluded  that incarcerating  people is                                                               
an expensive method.   Recently, the trend has been  to move away                                                               
from tough,  long sentences and  toward treatment.   For example,                                                               
California has mandatory treatment  for drug offenders.  Although                                                               
some of Alaska's  crime rates are going down,  Alaska's number of                                                               
inmates is  increasing.   In Alaska, 33,000  people are  booked a                                                               
year.  Most  of those are short stays.   Alaska is experiencing a                                                               
phenomena  in which  there are  about 300  more inmates  than the                                                               
year before.   Ms.  Knuth attributed that  increase to  the long,                                                               
tough sentences in Alaska and  the trend of fewer [inmates] being                                                               
released on bail.  Alaska has  a much higher percentage of people                                                               
who are  pre-trail and  awaiting trial  and sentencing  on felony                                                               
charges.   She estimated  that those who  are held  for pre-trial                                                               
has  risen from  20-35 percent  to about  50 percent  of all  the                                                               
inmates being  held.   Therefore, the use  of beds  for pre-trial                                                               
people is causing a need for  an increase in capacity.  In regard                                                               
to  why people  aren't being  released for  pre-trial, Ms.  Knuth                                                               
attributed it  partially to  the perception  of safety  issues by                                                               
both prosecutors' offices and by courts.   This is a policy issue                                                               
that the  state will have to  deal with at some  point, Ms. Knuth                                                               
speculated.  Ms.  Knuth said, "We do have the  ability to control                                                               
this growing  number of inmates  and at some point  somebody will                                                               
have  to  step  up  to  the  plate and  take  a  look  at  that."                                                               
Meanwhile, hundreds  of inmates need  spaces and the  only avenue                                                               
is to increase capacity.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1573                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KNUTH pointed  out that  in Alaska  there are  also contract                                                               
jails, which are  referred to as municipal jail  facilities in HB
497.   There are 15 such  small facilities that are  used to hold                                                               
those arrested in  smaller communities throughout the  state.  If                                                               
an  individual  is  arrested  on a  serious  offense,  then  that                                                               
individual is  shipped to a  regional facility.  The  15 contract                                                               
jails haven't received  any capital funds for a  number of years,                                                               
and  there isn't  a  good system  for  addressing these  contract                                                               
jails.   The  people housed  in  these contract  jails are  there                                                               
because of state  charges and thus are the  responsibility of the                                                               
state,   although  they   aren't  part   of  the   Department  of                                                               
Corrections' system.  The inmates  of the contract jails are paid                                                               
for by contracts  the department has with  the local governments.                                                               
This  legislation  specifies  the  most heavily  used  jails  and                                                               
requests  authorization for  expansion.   Those [contract  jails]                                                               
are  the  Dillingham  Community   Jail,  Kodiak  Community  Jail,                                                               
Kotzebue Community Jail, and North  Slope Borough Community Jail.                                                               
These jails are  also in the worst condition.   Therefore, HB 497                                                               
would  authorize  $4  million  for  each  of  the  aforementioned                                                               
community jails.  That $4 million  has to be matched by the local                                                               
community.   She  informed  the committee  that  the North  Slope                                                               
Borough  [Community  Jail] was  condemned  by  the fire  marshal.                                                               
Minor modifications were  made to satisfy the fire  marshal for a                                                               
while.   However, something has  to be  done.  She  also informed                                                               
the committee that  Kotzebue has a $4 million  federal grant that                                                               
can be used for their match.   Similarly, the North Slope Borough                                                               
has identified the $4 million for its match.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH recognized that the difficulty  with HB 497 is that the                                                               
state  is in  a  time of  dwindling revenues.    However, HB  497                                                               
relates to a  public safety need that doesn't go  away.  In fact,                                                               
the longer this  problem isn't addressed, the more  it will cost.                                                               
She noted that when similar  legislation was heard in the Senate,                                                               
support  for that  bill  was indicated  from  the communities  of                                                               
Seward,  Fairbanks,  Kenai,  Dillingham, Barrow,  Mat-Su  Valley,                                                               
Kenai,  and  Bethel.    "So  far,  all  the  testimony  has  been                                                               
positive," she remarked.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1899                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO   recalled  the  December   Conference  of                                                               
Mayors' press  conference during  which there  was the  threat to                                                               
either stop accepting prisoners or  take some action.  Therefore,                                                               
he inquired  as to whether that  reaction is related to  the lack                                                               
of funding for community jails.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KNUTH agreed  that  there has  been  growing frustration  in                                                               
regard  to the  lack  of  new funds  for  these community  jails.                                                               
[These communities] feel  that trying to continue  to do business                                                               
is  irresponsible.   Although the  frustration  with operating  a                                                               
condemned  facility is  obvious, when  an arrest  is made  in the                                                               
community  something has  to  be  done with  that  person.   This                                                               
creates a no-win situation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO   inquired  as  to  whether   the  greater                                                               
percentage of prisoners  without bail is related  to the severity                                                               
of the crime or recidivism.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KNUTH  answered  that the  decision  [of  holding  prisoners                                                               
without  bail] is  made on  a case-by-case  basis.   There is  no                                                               
policy plan with these types of offenses.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2089                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI referred  to the  Executive Summary  of                                                               
"Corrections  and Community  Partnerships:   A New  Way of  Doing                                                               
Business" which includes the compelling  statistic that there has                                                               
been a 66  percent increase in the prisoner  population in Alaska                                                               
over  ten years.   She  recalled  Ms. Knuth's  testimony that  in                                                               
other states there  has actually been a decrease  in their prison                                                               
population.   That  66 percent  increase seems  incredible.   The                                                               
summary further references the greater  use of the half-way house                                                               
approach  in corrections.   Therefore,  the approach  is to  have                                                               
more  space in  the prison  for  the more  serious offenders  [in                                                               
medium security].   Representative  Murkowski asked for  whom the                                                               
prison space is  being built. Is the space being  built for those                                                               
staying 10-15 days  or for the more serious offender  with a long                                                               
sentence, she asked.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH answered  that the prison space is being  built for all                                                               
of the populations Representative  Murkowski mentioned.  However,                                                               
the greatest  need for  beds is for  the medium  security inmates                                                               
with long  sentences.   Currently, 600 or  so inmates  in Arizona                                                               
fall in the  medium security category.  Ms.  Knuth explained that                                                               
in  1980  the  Alaska  Criminal  Code  was  revised  to  lengthen                                                               
sentences for  most all offenses,  in particular  those sentences                                                               
for  assaults,  robberies,  and serious  felony  offenses.    The                                                               
impact,  the "stacking  effect," of  those lengthy  sentences has                                                               
taken some time to see, but  is apparent now.  Also, the increase                                                               
in the state's population has brought  with it an increase in the                                                               
number of criminal  offenders.  Ms. Knuth  informed the committee                                                               
that the last  correctional facility Alaska built  was the Spring                                                               
Creek Correctional Facility in the  1980s.  During the 1990s, "we                                                               
did  nothing," she  pointed out.    However, she  noted that  the                                                               
Anchorage replacement jail which will  provide about 150 new beds                                                               
is about to open.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2316                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH  informed the  committee that  the department  has done                                                               
the  following  two things  to  deal  with the  increased  inmate                                                               
population.   First, there have  been increases in the  number of                                                               
halfway house space  for low level offenders.   With funding from                                                               
the legislature,  the department  was able  to contract  for more                                                               
halfway house  beds.   As a  result of that  effort, most  of the                                                               
state's  minimum  custody  inmates  are in  halfway  house  beds.                                                               
Second,  electronic monitoring  and home  furlough programs  have                                                               
diverted people from  hard beds, when appropriate.   However, the                                                               
department hasn't been  able to increase the number  of hard beds                                                               
because of the need for construction  money to do so.  She turned                                                               
to Bethel as an  example.  Bethel has a halfway  house as well as                                                               
a correctional  center.  She  explained that those beds  that are                                                               
needed are  for those  who are  a danger to  the community.   She                                                               
pointed out that the aforementioned  pre-trial issue is mainly an                                                               
issue in the Anchorage Bowl area  not in areas such as Bethel and                                                               
Fairbanks.   She indicated  the need to  deal with  the pre-trial                                                               
issue  in  the  Anchorage  Bowl  area.   In  summary,  Ms.  Knuth                                                               
expressed  the need  for  the  medium capacity  hard  beds to  be                                                               
addressed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI  related her understanding that  at soon                                                               
as the Anchorage  jail opens it will reach capacity  as well, and                                                               
therefore  HB 497  requests  expansion of  that  facility in  the                                                               
future.  She  questioned why the facility wasn't  built larger to                                                               
begin with.   Representative Murkowski inquired as  to the number                                                               
of prisoners  that are  sent to  Arizona, and  how many  would be                                                               
accommodated if HB 497 were to pass.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH answered  that there are about 680  inmates in Arizona.                                                               
With HB  497, all of those  inmates would be brought  home unless                                                               
the state's  inmate population continues  to increase at  300 per                                                               
year.   She explained that  it takes  about three years  from the                                                               
passage  of legislation  to  the  point at  which  a facility  is                                                               
actually  opened.   Therefore, there  could potentially  be 1,000                                                               
more inmates if  the aforementioned trend continues.   She stated                                                               
her hope  that the  [national] reduction in  the crime  rate will                                                               
begin  to happen  in Alaska  and thus  the aforementioned  growth                                                               
rate won't  continue.  Or,  perhaps there will be  policy changes                                                               
in regard  to the length  of sentences.   In further  response to                                                               
Representative Murkowski,  Ms. Knuth informed the  committee that                                                               
the possible new private prison  in Whittier would have a minimum                                                               
of 1,200  beds.   She mentioned that  there are  some significant                                                               
logistical  problems with  locating  a prison  in  Whittier.   It                                                               
makes  the  most  logistical  sense  to  have  a  prison  in  the                                                               
Anchorage Bowl area since that makes  up over half of the state's                                                               
population and inmate population.   A population base needs to be                                                               
present in order  to run a prison, which is  a difficulty in more                                                               
remote areas of the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  said  she  supposed  that  one  should                                                               
anticipate  that there  would be  a softening  of the  past 10-20                                                               
year trend.   Therefore, expansion plans should be  such that the                                                               
facility isn't at capacity before the doors are even open.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2636                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO returned  to Ms.  Knuth's comment  that in                                                               
the   1990s  the   state  did   nothing  in   regard  to   prison                                                               
construction.    However,  construction  of  private  prisons  in                                                               
Anchorage,  Delta, and  Kenai  have been  turned  down while  the                                                               
inmate  population   continues  to  grow.     He  indicated  that                                                               
expansion of  existing facilities  seems to  be a  more practical                                                               
way  to  address  this issue  because  the  community  opposition                                                               
wouldn't  exist.   Representative Halcro  inquired as  to whether                                                               
the department opposes the private prison in Whittier.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KNUTH replied  that the  proposal  for a  private prison  in                                                               
Whittier is inconsistent  with the governor's plan.   "We believe                                                               
that a regional approach makes more sense," she said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO  recalled that  in the  last few  years the                                                               
legislature has  done more to  lengthen sentences,  and therefore                                                               
he didn't foresee the problem getting better.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KNUTH reiterated  that many  states adopted  tougher, longer                                                               
sentences.   Those  states saw  what [tougher,  longer sentences]                                                               
did to their  education budget and determined  that they couldn't                                                               
do [tougher,  longer sentences].  Therefore,  some states decided                                                               
not  to  use  prison  beds  for certain  offenders.    Ms.  Knuth                                                               
predicted that  Alaska will  review where it  wants to  spend its                                                               
money and  decide that treatment  and education for  inmates will                                                               
be more cost-effective than longer sentences.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2778                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER  inquired  as  to   why  the  cost  to  construct                                                               
additional  beds  at correctional  centers  [in  the state]  vary                                                               
greatly.   He  questioned  whether [the  state]  should focus  on                                                               
[expansion] in the less expensive areas.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH  said that the need  for local jail beds  is expensive.                                                               
A  bed in  Ketchikan costs  more  than $300,000  per bed  because                                                               
that's [the state's]  smallest facility.  At  this small facility                                                               
there  is no  economy of  scale and  such locations  usually have                                                               
increased  construction  costs.    Therefore, it  costs  less  to                                                               
expand or have  new construction in locations such  as the Mat-Su                                                               
Valley.   However, there is the  need to have beds  for prisoners                                                               
in Ketchikan.   She noted that it doesn't make  economic sense to                                                               
ship  prisoners with  short-term sentences.   The  department has                                                               
people  who  meet  every  morning  for  two  hours  in  order  to                                                               
determine where each inmate could  go.  Therefore, the department                                                               
has analyzed the population flows  and patterns.  For example, if                                                               
Bethel increases  its number  of beds by  96, then  Bethel's pre-                                                               
trial population can  remain in Bethel.  In order  to keep people                                                               
who are  sentenced in Bethel  in Bethel, a 300-400  bed expansion                                                               
would  be required.    "We're  trying to  give  you the  smallest                                                               
number  for the  outlying areas  because in  the long-run  that's                                                               
most cost-effective.  It is a policy call," she said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER asked if it costs  about $40,000 a year to house a                                                               
prisoner in Alaska.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH noted that the  difference in construction costs across                                                               
the state is  reflected in the operating costs  [of the prisons].                                                               
Ketchikan has  the highest  operating expense  because it  is the                                                               
smallest  facility  and thus  the  costs  are spread  across  the                                                               
smallest group of people.  The  average cost of housing an inmate                                                               
in Alaska is $115 a day,  which she estimated to amount to forty-                                                               
some thousand  dollars per  inmate.  In  further response  to Co-                                                               
Chair  Meyer, Ms.  Knuth informed  the committee  that housing  a                                                               
prisoner in Arizona cost approximately $65  a day.  She said that                                                               
the  state  does  save  money  by  sending  inmates  to  Arizona.                                                               
However, she  expressed the  need to  consider whether  "we" want                                                               
our inmates that far away and  what additional money do "we" want                                                               
to spend to keep these inmates in Alaska.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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Number 2984                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER asked what the recidivism rate is in Alaska.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH announced  that the department will  be implementing an                                                               
information management  system that will  allow a closer  look at                                                               
recidivism.   However, she noted  that most people  don't return.                                                               
Out of  33,000 bookings  a year,  only about  4,000-5,000 return.                                                               
There is a  small population with a serious  alcohol problem that                                                               
revolve  through  the corrections  system  until  the problem  is                                                               
addressed.  She  expressed the desire to  obtain information that                                                               
illustrates the impact  of alcohol programs in  the facilities in                                                               
order to reduce recidivism.   Ms. Knuth informed the committee of                                                               
the  nationwide  discovery  that required  treatment,  even  when                                                               
involuntary, is  helpful; although  she acknowledged that  it may                                                               
have to  be required multiple times.   Therefore, the hope  is to                                                               
obtain the  information and make  a case for  increased treatment                                                               
capacity.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  related his  belief that  the focus  on treatment                                                               
was why  the therapeutic  courts were funded  and supported.   He                                                               
related his understanding that the  therapeutic courts are having                                                               
success,  especially  with  placing DWI  offenders  in  treatment                                                               
rather  than  jail.    He  acknowledged  that  many  of  the  DWI                                                               
offenders  are being  placed in  halfway houses.   He  questioned                                                               
whether the halfway houses are being fully used.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH  answered that the  halfway houses are being  more than                                                               
fully  utilized.   She  pointed  out  that  the statute  for  DWI                                                               
offenders specifies that the first  choice of placement for first                                                               
and  second DWI  offenders is  in halfway  houses.   However, the                                                               
department has found that to  be restrictive because some inmates                                                               
are  good  candidates  for  electronic  monitoring  or  the  home                                                               
furlough program.   She indicated that the  home furlough program                                                               
is a cheap program that allows people to work.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER expressed his optimism  that the demand for prison                                                               
space in Alaska  will decrease in the future.   He echoed earlier                                                               
sentiment that  it seems that  the Anchorage jail  should've been                                                               
made larger to begin with.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH said, "We all do the  best we can."  She mentioned that                                                               
she  is  glad  that  the  Anchorage  facility  was  designed  for                                                               
expansion.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2806                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI turned  to the  municipal jail  prices and                                                               
asked if it  is correct that [the state contributes]  about $12 a                                                               
day to the municipalities [that have municipal jails].                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KNUTH said  that she  didn't  know, but  that figure  sounds                                                               
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCALZI  inquired as to whether  the municipalities                                                               
contribute to the  operating costs of the municipal  jail or just                                                               
the capital costs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KNUTH responded  that the  municipalities contribute  to the                                                               
operating costs, and often the  municipal jail is the community's                                                               
law enforcement center  and thus houses the  local dispatcher and                                                               
police  department.   The municipality  is  making a  significant                                                               
contribution.  In further response  to Representative Scalzi, Ms.                                                               
Knuth clarified that the figure  entitled "The Anticipated Annual                                                               
Operating Cost"  [for the  proposed new beds]  refers to  the new                                                               
money  from the  state for  the community,  [which the  community                                                               
matches].                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2697                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARGARET  BRANSON,   Member,  City   Council,  City   of  Seward,                                                               
testified via  teleconference.  Ms.  Branson said that  [the City                                                               
of  Seward]  is  particularly  interested  in  the  Spring  Creek                                                               
Youthful  Offender  program expansion.    This  program has  been                                                               
extremely  efficient  and  successful.    [The  City  of  Seward]                                                               
supports the rest of  HB 497 as well.  She  noted that the Spring                                                               
Creek facility was built with future expansion in mind.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI  noted that Spring  Creek is one  of the                                                               
few  maximum security  facilities in  the state.   Therefore,  an                                                               
expansion would increase the potential  for having more dangerous                                                               
individuals in  the community.  She  asked if the City  of Seward                                                               
supports the expansion.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BRANSON  replied yes.   The experience with the  Spring Creek                                                               
Correctional Facility has  been very positive.   The only problem                                                               
has been the  difficulty in getting correctional  officers to the                                                               
area.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2538                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT   JANKE,   Manager,   City   of   Seward,   testified   via                                                               
teleconference in  support of  HB 497.   He echoed  Ms. Branson's                                                               
comments  regarding  the City  of  Seward's  support of  HB  497,                                                               
specifically  the Spring  Creek Youthful  Offender program.   The                                                               
expansion of the  Spring Creek Youthful facility has  been on the                                                               
city's  legislative  agenda  for  a  number  years.    Mr.  Janke                                                               
informed  the  committee  that the  Alaska  Vocational  Technical                                                               
Center (AVTEC)  is also  located in Seward  and thus  can provide                                                               
vocational  education and  training  for  youthful offenders  [to                                                               
help] reduce  the number of  offenders returning to prison.   Mr.                                                               
Janke also informed the committee  that Spring Creek was built by                                                               
the city using a bond much like  HB 497 anticipates.  The bond on                                                               
Spring Creek will be completely  paid in September 2006, which is                                                               
about the  time the  expansion would  go on  line and  begin debt                                                               
service again.  He projected that  the expansion could be on line                                                               
in less than three years.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI inquired  as to  whether there  are any                                                               
other  facilities  in the  state  that  have a  similar  youthful                                                               
offender program.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JANKE  related  his  understanding  that  the  Spring  Creek                                                               
Youthful Offender program  is the only such  program in operation                                                               
in the state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  related  her   view  that  the  prison                                                               
population consists of  more and more young  men, and furthermore                                                               
these men seem  to be getting younger.   Therefore, she indicated                                                               
the  need to  emphasize youthful  offender programs  in order  to                                                               
reduce recidivism.   She  said that with  the youth  offenders of                                                               
the state it  seems that there isn't a  regional approach because                                                               
there is only one state facility.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2318                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LINDA   FREED,   Manager,   City   of   Kodiak,   testified   via                                                               
teleconference.  She noted that  she sent a letter expressing the                                                               
City of  Kodiak's support  to the committee.   Ms.  Freed pointed                                                               
out that the facility  in Kodiak is 60 years old  and needs to be                                                               
replaced.   The city  is willing  to partner  with the  state and                                                               
commit local  resources in  order to replace  the building.   Ms.                                                               
Freed urged the committee's support of HB 497.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER referred  to Ms. Freed's letter in  the packet and                                                               
noted it  said that the  City of Kodiak  is willing to  match the                                                               
state's contribution.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. FREED replied  yes, and informed the committee  that the city                                                               
is  also willing  to contribute  the land  on which  the building                                                               
would be located.  Ms.  Freed explained that the local government                                                               
subsidizes the  operation of  the facility.   She  estimated that                                                               
the city puts  in about $50-$100,000 a year to  keep the facility                                                               
open.   Ms. Freed said,  "We believe that  a new building  and an                                                               
upgraded building  would provide  our community,  as well  as the                                                               
state, with a  facility that would help deal  with corrections on                                                               
a broad scale."  Currently, prisoners  in Kodiak can't be held in                                                               
the  facility  for  longer  than  ten days  due  to  the  current                                                               
condition  of the  facility.   An upgraded  facility would  allow                                                               
prisoners  to be  held  for sentences  up to  30  days, which  is                                                               
advantageous  due to  the  elimination  of transportation  costs.                                                               
Furthermore,  it's advantageous  to keep  the prisoners  close to                                                               
their homes  and families  in order to  hopefully return  them to                                                               
the community as useful members.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2168                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  GERMER,   Assistant  Borough   Manager,  Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough,  testified   via  teleconference.     He   informed  the                                                               
committee  that there  are three  correctional facilities  in the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna  Borough  and  there  have  been  few  problems                                                               
associated with  these facilities.   Furthermore,  the Department                                                               
of Corrections' employees are involved  members of the community.                                                               
[The  borough]  strongly  supports   the  expansion  of  existing                                                               
correctional facilities.   Furthermore, expansion of correctional                                                               
facilities on a regional basis  will allow prisoners to be closer                                                               
to   their    families   and   should    enhance   rehabilitation                                                               
opportunities.  Ms. Germer said,  "The economic impact associated                                                               
with returning prisoners to Alaska  or incarcerating prisoners in                                                               
Alaska should be  shared statewide.  Both rural as  well as urban                                                               
residents of Alaska  should have the opportunity  to benefit from                                                               
the positive  economic impacts  plus the  positive rehabilitation                                                               
impacts."    He  indicated  that Alaskan  residents  and  Alaskan                                                               
contractors would benefit [from expansion projects].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GERMER  related the  belief  that  expansion of  corrections                                                               
facilities should be publicly operated  and managed.  Although HB
497  is good  legislation,  the prison  legislation sponsored  by                                                               
Senator  Green  is slightly  more  preferable  because it  better                                                               
addresses  the  needs of  Fairbanks,  Ketchikan,  and the  Mat-Su                                                               
[Valley].   Furthermore, Senator Green's legislation  is slightly                                                               
more  preferable  because  it   utilizes  the  Alaska  Industrial                                                               
Development  and   Export  Authority  (AIDEA),  which   has  been                                                               
involved in  similar financing structures  and could  assist with                                                               
pre-construction bridge financing.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1989                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GARY   PAXTON,  Interim   Manager,  Ketchikan   Gateway  Borough,                                                               
testified  via   teleconference  in   support  of   Mr.  Germer's                                                               
comments.  Mr. Paxton highlighted  the fact that Southeast Alaska                                                               
has  been  devastated  by  the   loss  of  the  forest  industry.                                                               
Furthermore, Southeast  Alaska is, as  is the rest of  the state,                                                               
facing difficulties  with the fishing  industry.   Therefore, the                                                               
economy is in  a difficult state and thus  the proposed expansion                                                               
in  Ketchikan would  provide economic  benefits for  the area  as                                                               
well  as the  region  because Ketchikan's  economy  has a  direct                                                               
relationship to the economy of  surrounding smaller areas such as                                                               
Craig and Prince of Wales Island.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MORGAN closed public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1871                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER related  his understanding of the  testimony to be                                                               
that  the communities  want these  expansions,  and therefore  he                                                               
would support  moving HB  497 along.   However, he  expressed his                                                               
belief  that  all prison-related  legislation  would  have to  be                                                               
reviewed by the House Finance Committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI recalled the  discussions on the private                                                               
prison  proposals  for Delta  and  Kenai.    In both  cases,  the                                                               
communities   rejected    the   proposals    after   considerable                                                               
controversy.  Therefore,  it's nice to hear  communities that are                                                               
open  to expansion  of  prison  facilities in  their  area.   She                                                               
commented on  the need to  have an acceptance from  the community                                                               
for these facilities.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO said that he  is far more supportive of the                                                               
concept  [encompassed  in   HB  497].    He   also  recalled  the                                                               
situations  with the  private prison  proposals of  recent years.                                                               
The  expansion  of  regional  facilities   is  a  far  more  cost                                                               
effective  way   to  keep  someone  close   to  their  community.                                                               
Furthermore, it's  a more  palatable way  to expand  prison space                                                               
without turning communities upside down.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MORGAN related the situation  in Aniak where there is no                                                               
holding cell.   Sometimes, when Bethel doesn't  have room, Bethel                                                               
will ask  Aniak to hold  the prisoner a  day or two.   Therefore,                                                               
someone from  the community that  doesn't have training  is hired                                                               
as a jail guard.  Co-Chair Morgan noted his support of HB 497.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1479                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS moved  to report  HB 497  out of  committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
note.   There being no  objection, HB  497 was reported  from the                                                               
House Community and Regional Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                        

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